Certainty level: 30%
The first of two video segments from the same program, this shows Jon Snow interviewing Ken Clarke in April 1997, during the general election campaign. The following exchange is heard;
Jon Snow: "You say we are booming in your posters, the bust's around the corner" Ken Clarke: "You took that from three years ago, when I was being advised to do all kinds of mad things to stimulate the economy, and being told that I had to take desperate measures to get it going"
At this time I was watching television almost continuously at home, with a video recorder whirring away, trying to obtain from the newscasters a reaction which would give them away. I think this is an instance where it happened. Ken Clarke first darts a glance straight at the video camera (and perhaps at a monitor next to it showing my living room), then comes out with "all kinds of mad things", while engaging in a facial display involving raising of eyebrows and lowering of eyelids. To me at the time, and also now, it looked as if he was selecting a context into which he could drop the word "mad" as a directed insult against me.